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Tuesday, November 16, 2021

Great Marlow Stagecoach Services

  This is a follow up post to our entry on the Wyatt family who did so much to make coach travel faster for late 18th and early 19thc Marlow residents.  Their service to London, run with a series of partners and finally alone, was known as The Original and then The Wyatts coach. You can read more here.

But there were others services and this is an overview of the main other ones. 

The coaching trade boosted income for the innkeepers who provided a starting or finishing point for a journey. Coach building and maintenance for those owning their own private coach or carriage also provided work. We will mention Marlow resident Mr Lovegrove who advertised his coach painting services in 1770.  He had he said, been "regularly bred to the profession in London" and would do the job in the best and most professional manner. 


At first Marlow did not have a daily stagecoach service. In 1773 there were journeys made three times a week to London in the summer and twice weekly in winter. 

In May 1788 a new daily post coach run by Saunders, Smith and Co started running from Mr Dixon's the Lower Crown. Sundays were of course excepted. It left at 7am and returned to Marlow on the same day at 2pm. It arrived at the bustling coach interchange known as  The New White Horse Cellar Piccadilly. It's route went via Little Marlow, Wooburn and Taplow. The newspapers at this time carried advertisements for a coachman to serve this new route.  So what qualities would a coach driver need? Mr Dixon was mindful of the reputation some drivers had for being drunk in charge and reckless with both coach and horses. So his ideal candidate should be steady and sober, and must have held a similar role for some time. Experience with driving in both London and country areas was essential as was a good temper. What especially dates the ad is a requirement for the successful candidate to be free of smallpox.  


In 1790, the Lower Crown's London coach was leaving an hour earlier. It took an hour to get to Maidenhead, and 4 hours to reach London itself. Three years later, a "neat, new, elegant" London coach was run from the same Lower Crown by Minchener's [also occurs as Miltchener, this was Elizabeth of Colnbrook], later a partner of Wyatts. The first service set forth on the 8th April 1793, promising lower fares. The charge for travelling in the more expensive interior seats was 8s from Marlow to London in 1797, one shilling less if travelling from Maidenhead. There was also a special rate for small parcels at 4d. This coach went via Maidenhead (Swan Inn) to Piccadilly as before, but it also now advertised that it stopped at the New Inn, Old Bailey. It took longer to arrive in London than the previous coach, at 5 hours. But it was "safe, easy, and expeditious", at least if no highwayman were about. Sadly Minchener went bankrupt in 1806. A daily service departing from the King's Head, Old Change at 10am is also mentioned in 1793. 


Moving on to 1798 a new Marlow coach to the capital was started from Mrs Chapman's Upper Crown. This went through Maidenhead and arrived at the Bolt and Ton, Fleet Street via the inevitable New White Horse Cellar, Piccadilly. If the thought of getting up early to catch this coach was off putting and you wanted the luxury of selecting your own departure time, then the proprietors would allow you to hire out the entire coach and it would then set out when you chose. That however was an expensive option.  Around this time or a little later William Williams was running a post coach from the Lower Crown. William moved his post business to the Corporation Arms in High Wycombe in 1808, still promising to make travel as comfortable as possible for all those "pleased to honour him with their favours". 


It was not just the two Crown Inns that were coach stops. In 1819 Robert Mossington (Mossenton) had recently taken over the Greyhound Inn in Spittal Street. He was keen for everyone to know he had spent a great deal of time and effort on fitting up the premises in the most modern manner. He would also be running a new service to London, known as The Accomodation coach -  "All possible attention will be paid to safety, convenience and comfort of passengers". This took 5 hours so no real improvement had been made on earlier running times. Robert seems to have done very well at the parcel carrying part of his business, and so he also recruited the Two Brewers in St Peters Street to act as a parcel booking office. He offered a slightly later start from Marlow than his rivals at first - 8am with a return from the city at noon (later 2.30 pm) the following day. He did eventually bring his start time from Marlow back more in line with that of his rivals. The route was via Little Marlow, Maidenhead (the White Hart), Burnham and Slough to the Bull Inn, Holborn, the Belle Savage, Ludgate Hill and The Gloucester Coffee House.  Fares were 12s for a hopefully more comfortable interior seat, and 7s for an outside one, to London. He obviously was doing something right as a little over a month after starting his coach, he decided to make it a daily rather than thrice weekly service. (Sundays excepted)


WS Williams and Co obviously thought there was demand for another London service and so they launched a new post coach from The Greyhound in 1820. I believe they may have already run to London via Little Marlow, Wooburn and Taplow as they tell us in the adverts launching the new service that the coach serving these places will run unchanged bar an earlier start time.  They followed this by The Favourite in 1823  - more or less following the route and timings of Wyatt's the Original which was still going.  The Favourite went via Bisham (the Bull), Pinkneys Green (the Golden Ball), Maidenhead (White Hart), and Taplow (The Dumb Bell Inn) to Gloucester Coffee House, Piccadilly, and the Belle Sauvage, Lydgate Hill  London, daily, except Sundays. And why should you use Mr Williams service? He carried only 4 inside passengers in The Favourite, so was offering more leg room! He said his service had been timed not to interfere with existing services but this was only true on the return leg, which also took in Aldgate. Both the Favourite and The Original left Marlow at 9am (The first Williams coach left much earlier). The Favourite departed from the Greyhound, and also used The Two Brewers and The Bull Bisham as booking offices. Relations between the old and new service were naturally strained. When the two coaches met at the famous coaching stop the White Horse Cellar in London in September 1823, (before the timings had been moved further apart)  Wyatt and his rival Marlow coachman, a Mr Bonus came to blows. Wyatt accused Bonus of assaulting him, by punching and kicking but Bonus said he was provoked and warned Wyatt he would do just so if he did not leave off annoying him. Witnesses agreed with Bonus who was therefore unpunished. The trigger for the squabble was the sight by Wyatt of a lady who had formerly been a regular passenger of his was now a customer of Bonus. Wyatt said he had merely approached her calmly and asked for her to consider using his coach again. At this, he claimed Bonus had approached him and attacked. Bonus said the lady was actually already inside his coach at the time and Wyatt had been standing on the coach step conversing with her and offering to undercut Bonus. A very competitive market! The Favourite deposited it's passengers, purloined or otherwise at Marlow at 7.30pm.


Then there's the services that ran from Wycombe to Henley or Reading via Marlow. The coach and especially the numerous carrier services changed over time so this is just a summary. The Industry also known as Hone's Coach after it's operator, is probably the best known post coach. It started in 1828 and initially ran every day except Sundays. But within a few months, the service was reduced to running 3 times a week. (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, with Wednesday replacing Tuesday by 1830, left Reading at 4.45pm, later 3pm) However some services tweaked their timetable to reduce services over the winter when travel was less appealing, so the service was naturally changeable. The Industry is interesting because operator Hones & Co was a big concern in Reading and they timed their departures for Marlow and Wycombe for after the coaches from other major destinations had arrived, such as Bath, Brighton, Portsmouth and Bristol. So if your ancestor came to Marlow from further afield, this may well have been the route they took to arrive in town. In 1830 the mile stones between Marlow, Henley, and Reading were "newly painted and fitted up" so a traveller "has now a chance of knowing how far he is progressing". Those showing Marlow 1 mile must have elicited a silent cheer for the weary passengers. On the return from Henley, the coach pulled up at The Upper Crown at 7pm, but in the reverse direction passengers boarded at the Red Lion in West Street. Another service running from The Falcon, Wycombe to the White Hart Henley via the Three Tuns, Marlow was The Sociable by Thomas Hall, later known as "The Van", on Tuesdays and Fridays. The Van was afterwards ran by Lofting then Farley, from The Greyhound and the Tuns with the Halls operating a service from the Clayton Arms. Other carriers in this pre Victorian period include Thomas Wyatt's "Wagon" which went daily to London from The Horns, Chapel Street via Maidenhead and Salt Hill, Slough, and James Druce who ran to Wycombe on Fridays.

The Wonder omnibus with its beloved charismatic driver Charlie Burns went from the Crown (upper) to Maidenhead to meet the trains before the line came to Marlow. He will be the subject of his own post in the future.


Notes : In 1670 the carriers to London from Marlow came there every Tuesday, stopping at the Swanne in the Strand.  

1842 - carriers to London - Johnson, goes to the Bell, Warwick Lane, returning to Marlow on Thursday at noon. Robinson, to the The Rose, Smithfield, returning from there Tues and Fri mornings, and Wyatt's to the King's Arms, Holborn and White Bear, Piccadilly, returning Tues and Sats. (In 1807 the stop is called the Black Bear)

 Other later Victorian carriers include:

James Johnson of The Plough (to London once a week returning two days later), Charles and Tracey Wyatt (a man, Tracey was a male name then!)  from the Horns Inn Yard to The New Inn, Old Bailey and Piccadilly twice weekly, returning the next day each time, Wyatts from the Horns to Maidenhead and Slough, Richard Robinson from the Greyhound to Wycombe twice weekly. And there was a coach service from The George and Dragon once a day each to Henley and Windsor in the 1880s. And an omnibus to Windsor from the Greyhound to meet the South Western trains once a day.



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More transport related posts can be found in the listing here

 All posts relating to an individual can be found under the A-Z person index on the top drop down menu. 

Marlow highwayman Peter Rivers here

Marlow's toll gates here


For posts related to the inns mentioned, use the Pub Related option, yes also on the top drop down menu! 

Researched and written by Kathryn Day. 


SOURCES

Extract of the annual returns of the Great Marlow and Stokenchurch Turnpike Trust. Great Britain House of Commons. 1851, Vol 18

Kent's Directory for the year 1793 (Richard & Henry Causton, 1793)

Taylor, JohnThe Carriers’ Cosmography. The Map of Early Modern London, Edition 6.6, edited by Janelle Jenstad, U of Victoria, 30 Jun. 2021, mapoflondon.uvic.ca/edition/6.6/CARR1.htm.

Reading Mercury 19 March 1770, 9 March 1773,  17 May 1780, 17 & 24  April 1788, 1 August 1789, 4 March 1793, 27 June 1796, 17 April 1797, 14 May 1798, 16 September 1811, all copies from The British Library. 

Oxford Journal 28 July 1787, 4 August 1804, 30 April 1808. As above. 

Windsor and Eton Express 05 September 1819, August 6 1820, 9 August 1823. As above. 

Berks Chronicle 6 September & 15 November 1828, 21 August 1830. As above. 

Bucks Gazette 19 February 1831, 31 March 1832, 24 October 1835 As above. 

Pigots Directory 1830, 1831,1842, 1844

Bucks Herald 3rd October 1840, As above

Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette  24 November 1849

Statesman, 4 Oct 1823. 

Enrolment books, deposited with Clerk of the Peace, ref Q/RX 1835, Bucks Archives. 

Robson's London Directory 1842. 

Slaters Commercial Directory 1851

High Wycombe Directory and Handbook 1885

Crosby's Complete Pocket Gazette (B Crosby & Co, 1807, 1815)

Dutton, Allen and Co Directory and Gazetteer 1869

Kent's Directory for the Year 1793 (Richard and Henry Causton 1793)

©Marlow Ancestors

Sunday, May 9, 2021

The Greyhound - Landlords And Timeline

Updated by Charlotte November 2025

This was an ancient building, originally adjacent to the medieval St Thomas Hospital and no doubt originally used as part of it. 

Originally called the White Horse, however be warned there was also formerly a White Horse in West Street too (mid 1700s to probably about 1792).

A cellar in West Street near Quoting Square went with the pub despite the distance between them. 

1797- as the White Horse, bought by the Langton family.

1809- landlord John Bunce. See here for more on him.

1819 - Robert Mossenton takes over from an unknown individual as landlord the premises and calls it the Greyhound not the White Horse but for some years people still use the old name as often as the Greyhound. Robert fits it up in a "genteel manner" He runs The Accommodation coach to London via Little Marlow, Maidenhead, Burnham and Slough. To see the price of a seat on his coach see this Marlow cost of living post. A full listing of historic coach services in Marlow is here. Robert faced bankruptcy that year but managed to recover. He was also a horse dealer.

1820 - hosts a performance from the  ventriloquist Lee Sugg "calculated to rub off the rust of care". A lit candle will be placed in front of his mouth to demonstrate how little air comes out as he "speaks". He is accompanied by those offering recitations, songs and anecdotes. 

1823 - The Favourite coach to Aldgate, London also stops at the Greyhound. Via Bisham, Pinkneys Green, Maidenhead and Taplow. 

1824 - Robert Mossenton/ Mossington.

1825 - William Bowles who had come from the Six Bells. Mrs Bowles dies this year. 

1828- Langton's sell it to the Wethered family brewers.

1830 - William Bowles 

1834 - W Bowles. 

1836 - Arrives July.  Henry Hyatt. "Former gamekeeper for Lord Camoys" For information on a major fraud case in which he was a witness see this post

1839 - Henry Hyatt "St. Thomas Street"

1842 - Henry Hyatt takes on fellow cricket enthusiast Mr Brooks the baker at a one on one cricket match at the Crown Enclosure (now Riley recreation ground). Such contests were all the rage at the time. Brooks won so Hyatt had to meet the costs of a handsome dinner (at the Greyhound naturally) for the pair and their friends. Both are described as "gentleman remarkable for their athletic form, activity, and skill in that manly exercise" of cricket. (Windsor and Eton Express September 1842) More on his cricketing antics here

1844 - Hyatt has twice weekly carrier service to Henley and Wycombe - "The Waggon". The Van, running same route also stops here (Loftin's Van).

1847 - Henry Hyatt* Henry bravely voted against the political interest of his landlord, the Wethered family, voting instead for the Liberal candidate, Clayton. It is said that the Conservative supporter tried to evict Henry thereafter, and the story of Henry's outrageous treatment is hard to read - find out more here

1848 - Henry Hyatt leaves, George Abbott takes over. A biography of George is available here

1852 - Omnibus leaves from here to meet trains at Maidenhead, and a separate service goes to Windsor to meet South Western trains there.  

1853 - George Abbott  ("Greyhound Inn") In 1855 a silver spoon is stolen from the premises. The enterprising thief William Brangwin breaks it up and tries to sell the bits but is caught and sentenced to 3 months hard labour. He plead guilty. 

1861 - George Abbott

1863 - Mary Ann Abbott

1869 - Mrs M A Abbott "Commercial inn and posting house"

1871 - George S Abbott

1876 - George Abbott dies age 27, wife Jeanette briefly takes on licence in own name. 

1877, 78 - Job Palmer

1880 - Job Palmer 2. Thomas Haydon Wills/Willis

1881 - Thomas Haydon Wills (born Axminster, Devon according to census). 

1882 - Mr Wills. In January Thomas' wife Charlotte Amelia had died at the Greyhound age 56.  2. Ephraim Sheppard. Thomas Wills accuses fisherman William Humphrey Shaw of using the "most foul disgusting and blasphemous language" when they refused to serve him - on account of drunkenness and prior bad conduct. Shaw is forcibly ejected and subsequently fined for refusing to quit a licensed premises. One of many brushes with the law for this particular Mr Shaw! Biographical post on him here

1883 - Ephraim Sheppard    ("Greyhound Commercial Hotel"). "That excellent and reasonable charging hostelry" - The Angler, November 1883.  Biography of Ephraim is available here

1891 - Ephraim Sheppard (born Rudgewick,Sussex). Billiards is a big draw here in 1890s, with London professional players coming down to show off their skills and start the season in 1897. Ephraim was a big supporters and fundraiser of the cricket club at Marlow too.

1903 - Ephraim Sheppard leaves. 

1903 - R.A. Ashby "Greyhound Hotel". Runs into financial difficulty. 

1904 - E A H Winfindale, manager of the George Hotel, Halstead is reported as the person going to take the hotel on but I have not found evidence he actually did so, so this is a "maybe". 

1905 - Frederick L Jackson takes over in November. 

1906 - Frederick Lemairs (Lemars) Jackson. He went bankrupt, so all stock in trade put up for auction on premises. Includes furniture from 11 bed and sitting rooms, and a nearly new billiards table. Says trade was very bad. Claimed to have been told by a the brewers agent that the Greyhound should generate an income of £100 a week in the summer but he'd managed to generate only £12-14. Had paid £500 to brewery as an entry fee, which was very common then. 2. C H Yates. 

1907- 1.) William Wilson 2.) Mr and Mrs Willoughby 

1908- 1.) Mr and Mrs Willoughby. 2.) John Henry Yates a clerk at the brewery managed the business for the brewery as no tenant could for a while be found. He lived off site which contravened the Beerhouse Act and magistrates said this could not continue. Brewery thought classing the business as a hotel not pub made them exempt from the requirement for a licensee to live on site 3.) J.H Browne.

1909 WR Browne. Pub already has a motor house for customer cars, as well as  accommodation for cyclists. Billiards table.

1911-12 William Robert Browne. Has a German waiter Ludwig Aubke, born Munster. In 1912 William sued the organiser of  "beanfeast" party who had dined at the Greyhound but not paid. They left after complaining that they were not being given enough food. He was awarded most of what he asked for. Evidence was given in court by James Mayne, the waiter, and Lily King waitress at the Greyhound. The diners had thrown jelly and meat about the room and dumped their jackets on his piano all of which William Browne said was not unusual behaviours for beanfeasters.

1915- Grace Hards (Mrs)

1921 - Grace Hards 

1925 -Mr B J Garrington. He hosts dances here quite often.

1926 - Arthur Brown. Paid £800 to come into the business. 

1927 Arthur George Brown. "Ye Olde Greyhound Hotel". Family and commercial hotel. Luncheons offered. Motor garages and stabling available. Full sized billiard table and large hall to let for dances and parties. 



Above image courtesy of Michael Eagleton with thanks. 


1931 - Arthur George Brown. Forced to close by local authorities aiming to limit the number of licenced premises in the area. They say it has become outdated as a hotel, and the front rooms are too cramped. Arthur naturally disagreed as he is happy with the trade he is doing and does actually have practical experience of managing with the so called impossible front rooms. They do acknowledge he has spacious dining, club and billiard rooms out the back and more accomodation for guests than the Chequers hotel in town. The lodge room was "very fine indeed".  Arthur says he caters for many parties and provides many meals to visitors. But it makes no difference. Even it's detractors say it was in "many respects a beautiful old house, many of the rooms having fine old beams". 

Researched by Kathryn Day and Charlotte Day.

©Marlow Ancestors. 

For a full list of Marlow pubs and beer houses from the past, see our listing here. For more detailed information on each, use the Pub Related option on the menu. We have extensive landlord listings gathered over a long period which will be uploaded gradually. 


Related Posts:

There are posts on this blog about individual families associated with certain pubs, as well as on individual pubs themselves so have a look at the Pub Related index here  & don't forget the Person Index for all mentions of someone on this blog. Find it on the top drop down menu. 

Posts about historic residents and businesses in Spittal Street and neighbouring streets here

More beer sellers than bakers -Temperance in Marlow here

Lists of posts about everyday life in old Great Marlow here


SOURCES

1853 Mussons and Cravens Commercial directory, published by Mussons. 

Wills, property deeds and sale notices research. 

1833 Parish Assessment

Pigots Directory 1830, 1831,1844

Robson's Directory 1839

Census 1861,1871,1881,1891

Kelly's Post Office Directory -1859, 1863,1877,1899,1907,1911

South Bucks Standard February 15 1907 and September 6th 1912 held at British Library and accessed via the BNA. 

Windsor and Eton Express, 5 & 12 September 1819, 6 August & 15 October 1820 as above.


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